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Taurucis · Mar 06, 2008, 04:00 PM // 16:00

I like the elemental mods the most. I never really liked Sundering OR vampiric, sundering doesn't have a noticeable effect and I don't like the health degen on vampiric. I have a Crippling sword for when I'm running a particular build, Icy for when I run my Conjure Frost warrior, and Furious for everything else.

But we all know Zealous weapons are best. Pack on a Zealous weapon and join me in the Domain of Anguish, my fellow Ursans.

Taki · Mar 06, 2008, 04:04 PM // 16:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagmaRed

Sundering, 15^50, and +30 is 'perfect', and the best option because of this:

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Warrior...uick_reference

Look over the list, you will find 5 Axes, 8 Hammers, and 5 Swords with those stats. Everyone knows Green weapons are the best. Now, look at the ones that have 20/20 and +30, but modify the 15^50. Quite a few with 15/-5, 15^enchant, 15^stance, etc. Sundering + Fortitude is special.

Not quite. The green weapons were just designed with the more popular mods - makes sense as you can't change them. There's an interview with one of the devs (or person resbonsible for greens at the time) where he states the difficulty in balancing the mods between popularity/demand and efficiency/usefulness. Why is that so difficult? Surely the most popular would also be the most efficient or "best" right?

take_me · Mar 06, 2008, 04:06 PM // 16:06

Just happend to me.... I was selling a req10 Elemental Sword for 15k, showed it to a guy and our conversation was something like this:
he said: "but it's not perfect"
me: "then buy the mods you want"
him: "i don't have 15k and it will take months to sell that sword"
me: "then I'll just put it on my monk with a +5 and +20%, I'm in no hurry"
him: "but it has req. swordmanship, it's for warrior"

..........

Zaris · Mar 06, 2008, 04:20 PM // 16:20

perfect only means all mods are maxed

makosi · Mar 06, 2008, 04:26 PM // 16:26

I realise I have a problem with pet-peeves but does it annoy anybody else when people say '15^enchanted', '15^stance,' and so on? I'm guessing that the '^' symbol is used to simplify the word 'above' (since it resembles an upwards arrow). Damage +15% (While Health is above 50%) = 15^50.

Could just be me though.

/endofftopicponder.

The word 'perfect' brings me back to my days of Philosophy studies. It was defined by many Philosophers as a state of unflawed existence whereby it could not be improved because it has intrinsically maximum properties. That means that req.8 15^50 swords are not perfect because req.7 15^50 swords exist.

Kusandaa · Mar 06, 2008, 04:27 PM // 16:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by take_me

Just happend to me.... I was selling a req10 Elemental Sword for 15k, showed it to a guy and our conversation was something like this:
he said: "but it's not perfect"
me: "then buy the mods you want"
him: "i don't have 15k and it will take months to sell that sword"
me: "then I'll just put it on my monk with a +5 and +20%, I'm in no hurry"
him: "but it has req. swordmanship, it's for warrior"

..........

Either this guy is brand new at the game, or he's pretty dumb. As long as you meet the requirement for your weapon, it does the same damage as if it was a lower (or higher) req. In other words, at 13 swordsmanship, a req13 sword and a req9 sword will deal the same damage.

And to me, perfect, is about anything that has max mods. But your average player makes it as the "perfect" weapon is a req9 15^50 20/20 +30hp weapon.

So in general, on my warrior, either I run sword builds (my main attribute, therefore it's the one I have the most points in, I meet reqs) or I run farming builds where my sword req doesn't even matter (W/RT UW solo farmer). For my casters, high-req stuff - less expensive, damage doesn't matter, +5e is the same whether I meet the req or not.

EDIT: No, the "^" doesn't bother me at all - tells right away it's "above" (I want upward arrows! >=( ) and it's faster to type but doesn't look bad really (lyk wen ppl type lyk dis)

Stormlord Alex · Mar 06, 2008, 04:32 PM // 16:32

Sundering swords are baed. This is fact.
Anyone who says otherwise is clueless.

Oh, and @ anyone complaining at Vamp's -1 health degen... oh noez! 2 health a second is reli guna kill mee!!! Seriously, 'stfu' and 'gtfo' I believe they say on the internets - 1 degen is not gonna do anything to you; and is nothing compared to the superior damage buff allowed by Vampiric.

I Angra I · Mar 06, 2008, 04:37 PM // 16:37

Regardless of how good sundering is, I think it's just in this cycle of.. sundering is the most expensive mod, therefore that's why it's called "perfect" when it's on a weapon. And the reason why it stays expensive is because it's the "perfect" mod, etc.. in an endless cycle. :<

Big_Daddy · Mar 06, 2008, 04:42 PM // 16:42

OMG, way to get away from the OP's point.

On topic. Yes, I think people are stupid if they think that 20/20 is the ONLY mod needed on a sword to make it perfect. To me a weapon is perfect if all the stats are maxed... but I always rather buy/get a clean weapon (max dmg, of course) and then pimp it out!

Blackest Rose · Mar 06, 2008, 04:47 PM // 16:47

For all the ursans out there - there simply is only one mod - it's zealous to make ursan last as long as possible.

used properly it can make a single ursan cast last indefinitely.

Other than that I like vampiric, then sundering.

For me I have all 4 types in my quick weapon bar.

HawkofStorms · Mar 06, 2008, 05:21 PM // 17:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackest Rose

For all the ursans out there - there simply is only one mod - it's zealous to make ursan last as long as possible.

used properly it can make a single ursan cast last indefinitely.

Other than that I like vampiric, then sundering.

For me I have all 4 types in my quick weapon bar.

True that. Ursan is actually making the bad players out there who used to like Sundering gradually switch over to a good mod, zealous.

Master Knightfall · Mar 06, 2008, 05:47 PM // 17:47

Fire and Cold are the best mods for me when I run W/E and W/N warrior. Conjure Flame and Mark of Rodgort cannot be matched by vampiric or sundering in my book in dps. All can be blocked and even hexes removed and chant removed, but, in PVE that doesn't happen very often anyways.

In PVP the fun is playing a W/N and using Shivers and/or that other cold interupting necro curses hex. Nothing more fun than interupting a touch ranger over n over n over again or any spell caster for that matter as well. Oh an a good elite to use when using Shivers is Warriors Endurance as it returns 3 energy back on each hit thus I can keep the pressure up on interupting a long time. I've been accused of hacking cause I interupted this one touch ranger so many times in a row lol lmao.

In 1 v 1 matchups vs another warrior with 20/20 sundering or vampiric and using the same skills I have come out on top every single time. Thus tests have proven the Fire and Cold rule when it comes to best mod for any melee weapon when running ?/E or ?/N And a ranger with mark of rodgort and their constant poison or bleeding skill combined is a monster to go up against when they use a fire bow.

Arduin · Mar 06, 2008, 06:01 PM // 18:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitedragon

Why is it that most if not all the players think that perfect swords has to be

ap 20/20 +30hp 15^50?

Because the established definition of a perfect weapon is 15^50, 20/20 +30. Go and have a look at the auctions, it's something that has always been and always will be. It has nothing to do with mods being inferior/superior to others. It's a tag we as community came up with.

Siirius Black · Mar 06, 2008, 06:21 PM // 18:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

Fire and Cold are the best mods for me when I run W/E and W/N warrior. Conjure Flame and Mark of Rodgort cannot be matched by vampiric or sundering in my book in dps. All can be blocked and even hexes removed and chant removed, but, in PVE that doesn't happen very often anyways.

In PVP the fun is playing a W/N and using Shivers and/or that other cold interupting necro curses hex. Nothing more fun than interupting a touch ranger over n over n over again or any spell caster for that matter as well. Oh an a good elite to use when using Shivers is Warriors Endurance as it returns 3 energy back on each hit thus I can keep the pressure up on interupting a long time. I've been accused of hacking cause I interupted this one touch ranger so many times in a row lol lmao.

In 1 v 1 matchups vs another warrior with 20/20 sundering or vampiric and using the same skills I have come out on top every single time. Thus tests have proven the Fire and Cold rule when it comes to best mod for any melee weapon when running ?/E or ?/N And a ranger with mark of rodgort and their constant poison or bleeding skill combined is a monster to go up against when they use a fire bow.

lol, that probably was funny. I mean the frustration that ranger felt.

Stolen Souls · Mar 06, 2008, 06:41 PM // 18:41

Ele>Furious>Vamp>Zealous>Sundering >_>

Wit teh vamp i just use teh +1 mending 2 counter it. =]

But yeah it's dumb how "perfect" is defined as 15^50/2020/+30.

It also annoys me how people refer to "Requirement" as "Q". But that is for another thread.

R.Shayne · Mar 06, 2008, 06:57 PM // 18:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitedragon

Why is it that most if not all the players think that perfect swords has to be

ap 20/20 +30hp 15^50? I was selling a furious elem. sword of fort.+30hp

15^50(req9)gold furious =10% and every player who looked at it said its not

perfect it has to be ap 20/20 to be perfect. what happened to all maxed stats =perfect

A perfect sword is any sword with max mods, so your sword would be considered perfect.

I think most experience players will agree a 20/20 mod on a sword is a waste due to damage and critical, but during auctions most in-experience players prefer the 20/20 on everything. If you have a 20/20 sword mod put it on it, kill two birds with one stone thing:

1. Get rid of the 20/20 mod.
2. Will probably double the price of the auction.

**Off-topic**
Myself, I have a preference for vampiric, zealous, Fiery, Icy, and furious. Just remember when you're blinded and holding a vampiric sword *** dare I say it *** SWITCH SWORDS!!!

Why do people get so attached to one sword that to even think of switching is like a deadly sin?

When running a sword build I take these:
Furious Greater Highlander blade of Fortitude
Zealous Fellblade of Fortitude
Icy Dragon Sword of Fortitude
Fiery Dragon Sword of Fortitude
Vampiric Flamberge of Fortitude

Yeah, I know I have a thing for +30hp.

Selket · Mar 06, 2008, 07:09 PM // 19:09

The only thing I run furious on is the spear for my warrior cuz a free shot at 2x adrenaline from enraging/or throwing spears is never a bad thing.

Taurucis · Mar 06, 2008, 07:11 PM // 19:11

Why is the term "scrub" so wildly popular? It's like everywhere I go "you scrub" "stupid pve scrub" "you're a scrub" "he's a scrub" "she's a scrub" What is this, the bathtub? Is it bathtime?

The weapon prefix of choice should be determined by the user. There is no reason to force someone to use the item that you want. While some people don't mind switching weapons, there are some that do mind. We play how we want.

HawkofStorms · Mar 06, 2008, 07:22 PM // 19:22

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/scrub

Scrub, comes from the noun definition.

scrub 1 verb to rub hard in order to clean
scrub 2 noun
1) A straggly, stunted tree or shrub.
2) A growth or tract of stunted vegetation.
3) An undersized or poorly developed domestic animal.
4) An undersized or insignificant person.
5) Sports A player not on the varsity or first team.
6) Australian Remote rural land; the bush.

A scrub player is literally a "small" player, like a small bush compared to a tree.

whitedragon · Mar 06, 2008, 07:22 PM // 19:22

ahh.. the long lost debate on mods lol

To me mods are about what helps your build if it works use it, if it dont change it.

I have used mending to offset the vamp why = it works.Furious i like for it

it works in my build, sundering not so much of a noticable damage increase.

fire ,ebon,cold and the like i dont use much unless im going after a spicific

monsters

Mar 06, 2008, 04:26 PM // 16:26	#25
makosi Grotto Attendant Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: "Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff. Guild: Requirement Begins With R [notQ] Profession: Me/	I realise I have a problem with pet-peeves but does it annoy anybody else when people say '15^enchanted', '15^stance,' and so on? I'm guessing that the '^' symbol is used to simplify the word 'above' (since it resembles an upwards arrow). Damage +15% (While Health is above 50%) = 15^50. Could just be me though. /endofftopicponder. The word 'perfect' brings me back to my days of Philosophy studies. It was defined by many Philosophers as a state of unflawed existence whereby it could not be improved because it has intrinsically maximum properties. That means that req.8 15^50 swords are not perfect because req.7 15^50 swords exist. Last edited by makosi; Mar 06, 2008 at 04:30 PM // 16:30..

Mar 06, 2008, 06:41 PM // 18:41	#35
Stolen Souls Desert Nomad Join Date: Feb 2006	Ele>Furious>Vamp>Zealous>Sundering >_> Wit teh vamp i just use teh +1 mending 2 counter it. =] But yeah it's dumb how "perfect" is defined as 15^50/2020/+30. It also annoys me how people refer to "Requirement" as "Q". But that is for another thread. Last edited by Stolen Souls; Mar 06, 2008 at 06:45 PM // 18:45..

Mar 06, 2008, 07:22 PM // 19:22	#39
HawkofStorms Hall Hero Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: E/	http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/scrub Scrub, comes from the noun definition. scrub 1 verb to rub hard in order to clean scrub 2 noun 1) A straggly, stunted tree or shrub. 2) A growth or tract of stunted vegetation. 3) An undersized or poorly developed domestic animal. 4) An undersized or insignificant person. 5) Sports A player not on the varsity or first team. 6) Australian Remote rural land; the bush. A scrub player is literally a "small" player, like a small bush compared to a tree. Last edited by HawkofStorms; Mar 06, 2008 at 07:24 PM // 19:24..

Mar 06, 2008, 04:00 PM // 16:00	#21
Taurucis Jungle Guide Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The edge of reason Guild: I don't play any more. Profession: W/E	I like the elemental mods the most. I never really liked Sundering OR vampiric, sundering doesn't have a noticeable effect and I don't like the health degen on vampiric. I have a Crippling sword for when I'm running a particular build, Icy for when I run my Conjure Frost warrior, and Furious for everything else. But we all know Zealous weapons are best. Pack on a Zealous weapon and join me in the Domain of Anguish, my fellow Ursans.

Mar 06, 2008, 04:06 PM // 16:06	#23
take_me Furnace Stoker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Europe Guild: Country Roads [HOME]	Just happend to me.... I was selling a req10 Elemental Sword for 15k, showed it to a guy and our conversation was something like this: he said: "but it's not perfect" me: "then buy the mods you want" him: "i don't have 15k and it will take months to sell that sword" me: "then I'll just put it on my monk with a +5 and +20%, I'm in no hurry" him: "but it has req. swordmanship, it's for warrior" ..........

Mar 06, 2008, 04:20 PM // 16:20	#24
Zaris Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Netherlands	perfect only means all mods are maxed

Mar 06, 2008, 04:32 PM // 16:32	#27
Stormlord Alex Grotto Attendant Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island Guild: Soul of Melandru [sOm] Profession: W/E	Sundering swords are baed. This is fact. Anyone who says otherwise is clueless. Oh, and @ anyone complaining at Vamp's -1 health degen... oh noez! 2 health a second is reli guna kill mee!!! Seriously, 'stfu' and 'gtfo' I believe they say on the internets - 1 degen is not gonna do anything to you; and is nothing compared to the superior damage buff allowed by Vampiric.

Mar 06, 2008, 04:37 PM // 16:37	#28
I Angra I Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Napa, CA Guild: Inadequately Equipped [GeAr] Profession: R/N	Regardless of how good sundering is, I think it's just in this cycle of.. sundering is the most expensive mod, therefore that's why it's called "perfect" when it's on a weapon. And the reason why it stays expensive is because it's the "perfect" mod, etc.. in an endless cycle. :<

Mar 06, 2008, 04:42 PM // 16:42	#29
Big_Daddy Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2006 Guild: The Big Daddy Experience [BigD] Profession: N/Mo	OMG, way to get away from the OP's point. On topic. Yes, I think people are stupid if they think that 20/20 is the ONLY mod needed on a sword to make it perfect. To me a weapon is perfect if all the stats are maxed... but I always rather buy/get a clean weapon (max dmg, of course) and then pimp it out!

Mar 06, 2008, 04:47 PM // 16:47	#30
Blackest Rose Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Feb 2006	For all the ursans out there - there simply is only one mod - it's zealous to make ursan last as long as possible. used properly it can make a single ursan cast last indefinitely. Other than that I like vampiric, then sundering. For me I have all 4 types in my quick weapon bar.

Mar 06, 2008, 05:47 PM // 17:47	#32
Master Knightfall Banned Join Date: Dec 2007	Fire and Cold are the best mods for me when I run W/E and W/N warrior. Conjure Flame and Mark of Rodgort cannot be matched by vampiric or sundering in my book in dps. All can be blocked and even hexes removed and chant removed, but, in PVE that doesn't happen very often anyways. In PVP the fun is playing a W/N and using Shivers and/or that other cold interupting necro curses hex. Nothing more fun than interupting a touch ranger over n over n over again or any spell caster for that matter as well. Oh an a good elite to use when using Shivers is Warriors Endurance as it returns 3 energy back on each hit thus I can keep the pressure up on interupting a long time. I've been accused of hacking cause I interupted this one touch ranger so many times in a row lol lmao. In 1 v 1 matchups vs another warrior with 20/20 sundering or vampiric and using the same skills I have come out on top every single time. Thus tests have proven the Fire and Cold rule when it comes to best mod for any melee weapon when running ?/E or ?/N And a ranger with mark of rodgort and their constant poison or bleeding skill combined is a monster to go up against when they use a fire bow.

Mar 06, 2008, 07:09 PM // 19:09	#37
Selket Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Grand Court of Selket/Sebelkeh Guild: What If You Had An Outpost Named After You [slkt] Profession: W/	The only thing I run furious on is the spear for my warrior cuz a free shot at 2x adrenaline from enraging/or throwing spears is never a bad thing.

Mar 06, 2008, 07:11 PM // 19:11	#38
Taurucis Jungle Guide Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The edge of reason Guild: I don't play any more. Profession: W/E	Why is the term "scrub" so wildly popular? It's like everywhere I go "you scrub" "stupid pve scrub" "you're a scrub" "he's a scrub" "she's a scrub" What is this, the bathtub? Is it bathtime? The weapon prefix of choice should be determined by the user. There is no reason to force someone to use the item that you want. While some people don't mind switching weapons, there are some that do mind. We play how we want.

Mar 06, 2008, 07:22 PM // 19:22	#40
whitedragon Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2006 Guild: Golden Dragons of Tyria (G0ID) Profession: N/E	ahh.. the long lost debate on mods lol To me mods are about what helps your build if it works use it, if it dont change it. I have used mending to offset the vamp why = it works.Furious i like for it it works in my build, sundering not so much of a noticable damage increase. fire ,ebon,cold and the like i dont use much unless im going after a spicific monsters